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♪ TRIBAL TRAILS 
TRIBAL TRAILS

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THE SON OF GOD, 
HE IS NEAR.

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HE CHOSE TO WALK WITH US 
THESE TRIBAL TRAILS

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TRIBAL TRAILS 
TRIBAL TRAILS...

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Rita: SO BILL, YOU'VE BEEN 
AROUND FOR A WHILE AND SO 
HAVE I [HUH HUH]

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AND TRIBAL TRAILS HAVE BEEN 
AROUND FOR A WHILE.

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AND I JUST WONDERED,

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I'D JUST LIKE TO VISIT 
AND TALK TO YOU ABOUT

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YOUR THOUGHTS WHEN IT FIRST 
STARTED. [YES]

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Rita: WHERE WERE YOU?

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Bill: WELL, I WAS LIVING AT 
GOODFISH LAKE AT THE TIME.

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WE HAD JUST MOVED THERE 
NOT TOO LONG.

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AND I WAS STILL ON THE BOARD, 
WESTERN SIDE BOARD, 
HAD EAST AND WEST, YEAH.

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AND WE WERE LIVING WHERE 
WE JUST MOVED TO WHERE 
WE WERE LIVING NOW.

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Rita: HOW DID YOU FIRST HEAR 
ABOUT TRIBAL TRAILS?

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Bill: I USED TO GO TWO 
HUNDRED MILES TO MEADOW LAKE

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TO MAKE THE RECORDINGS FOR 
THE INDIAN GOSPEL BROADCAST.

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THAT WAS TAKEN OUT, STOPPED.

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AND FOR ME, I THOUGHT, 
"WELL, YOU KNOW, GOD WANTS 
PEOPLE TO HEAR THE GOSPEL,

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BUT HE STOPS THE FOUNTAIN OF 
WATER THAT'S GOING THROUGH,"

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I'M - REASONING, OF COURSE.

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HOW ELSE CAN YOU DO IT, YOU 
KNOW, TO GET THE GOSPEL OUT.

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BY THE WAY, I'VE HEARD OF 
CONVERSIONS SOMETIME LATER 
AFTER BROADCAST TAKEN OFF.

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PEOPLE WHO GOT CONVERTED, 
AN ELDERLY MAN,

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I WOULDN'T TALK 
ABOUT THAT TODAY,

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BUT MAYBE ANOTHER TIME, 
THROUGH INDIAN GOSPEL 
BROADCAST.

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SO IT WAS TAKEN OFF. 
LO AND BEHOLD, SOMETHING 
ELSE CAME UP

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AND THAT WAS THROUGH 
A PERIOD OF TIME. I DON'T 
KNOW HOW LONG IT WAS.

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THE BROADCAST STOPPED AND 
WHAT WE CALL TRIBAL TRAILS 
STARTED. IT WASN'T CALLED,

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"LET'S GET TOGETHER AND START 
A TV PROGRAM, WE'LL CALL IT, 
TRIBAL TRAILS."

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TRIBAL TRAILS, THE NAME, 
CAME QUITE A WHILE LATER;

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QUITE A WHILE LATER, DERRICK 
HISCOX TIME, HE WAS WITH, 
BUT IT WASN'T EVEN THEN.

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I THINK IT WAS FRED EVANS, 
DONNA LAKEY ANDERSON.

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AND THEY WERE HOSTING 
THEN TRIBAL TRAILS. 
AND SO

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BEING ON THE BOARD, I THOUGHT 
WE'D SHARE SOMETHING WITH 
THEM THAT WAS ON MY HEART

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THAT BY NOW, WHICH COULD BE, 
NOT A REPLACEMENT,

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I STILL THOUGHT CARRYING 
ON RADIO BROADCAST WOULD 
BE BETTER

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BUT I ALSO KNEW THAT 
TV WAS COMING ON.

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AND MORE AND MORE PEOPLE ALL 
OVER, ALL OVER HAD TV,

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AND I THOUGHT OF THESE PEOPLE 
WHO COME ON TV WELL, THEY 
MUST HAVE SOMEWHERE STARTED

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AND A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE 
LISTENING TO THEM AND SO ON. 
AND THE BOARD - MEETING CAME.

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HAROLD ROBERTS BEING ONE OF 
THE MEMBERS AND PHILIP HOWARD 
AND MYSELF, BUD ELFORD.

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I THINK THAT'S IT.

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SO WE, WHEN EVERYTHING WAS 
PRETTY WELL DONE I INTRODUCED 
SOMETHING LIKE THIS,

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WHY COULDN'T WE TAKE VIDEO 
PEOPLE PREACHING THE GOSPEL 
IN CREE OR IN ENGLISH?

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I THOUGHT THE OTHER ONE WAS 
CREE, YOU SEE INDIAN GOSPEL 
BROADCAST WAS MOSTLY IN CREE.

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MOST OF - MYSELF 
AND JOHN UNGER

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AND SOMETIMES WE HAD BARNEY 
LACENDRE AND A FEW OTHERS 
THAT SPOKE CREE.

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AND ANYWAY, WE THOUGHT, 
"WELL MAKE A VIDEO IN CREE."

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AND ESTIMATING OR THINKING 
ABOUT THE COST, I THOUGHT, 
YOU KNOW, EVEN ONCE A MONTH

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WOULD BE GOOD TO HAVE A 
VIDEO, HALF-HOUR, TWENTY 
MINUTES, WHATEVER IN CREE.

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AND WELL,

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IT - CAUGHT ON WITH, BUD 
ELFORD. I WAS SITTING ABOUT 
THAT FAR FROM BUD, I REMEMBER

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AND I WOULDN'T SAY IT AS 
A FACT, BUT IT SEEMED 
WITH THE OTHERS,

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YOU KNOW, THIS IS A LONG 
STORY. IT'S A GOOD DREAM 
BUT A LONG STORY AND

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[EXPENSIVE] NOT - REALLY, 
YOU KNOW, IMPORTANT, IT WAS 
TOWARD THE END OF - MAYBE

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COLLECTING YOUR PAPERS AND 
ALL THAT AND PUTTING THEM 
AWAY, YOU KNOW.

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AND I SAID, "WELL, IT 
WOULDN'T COST US MUCH A MONTH

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IF WE DID ONCE A MONTH 
OR TWICE A MONTH".

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AND WELL, BUD ELFORD 
CAUGHT THE VISION.

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I'LL MAKE IT SHORT.

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WE DISCUSSED A LITTLE BIT 
ABOUT IT. HE HAD A LOT 
TO SAY ABOUT IT.

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YOU KNOW, HE SAID, "IT COULD 
HAPPEN AND WITH THE LORD, 
HE CAN MAKE IT HAPPEN.

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AFTER ALL, HE PUTS IT ON, 
SOMETHING ON OUR HEARTS, 
HE CAN MAKE IT HAPPEN."

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♪ Narrator: TAKE DELIGHT 
IN THE LORD AND HE WILL GIVE 
YOU YOUR HEART'S DESIRES.

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♪ 
SAVIOR, LIKE 
A SHEPHERD LEAD US

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MUCH WE NEED 
THY TENDER CARE

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IN THY PLEASANT PASTURES 
FEED US

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FOR OUR USE 
THY FOLDS PREPARE

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BLESSED JESUS, 
BLESSED JESUS

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THOU HAST BOUGHT US, 
THINE WE ARE

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BLESSED JESUS, 
BLESSED JESUS

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THOU HAST BOUGHT US, 
THINE WE ARE

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Bill: THERE - THE GROUP WAS 
THERE AND HAD BEEN CALLED.

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AND THERE DERRICK HAD, 
HAD SOME EXPERIENCE WITH 
TAPING PROGRAMS.

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I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH 
BUT HE HAD SOME.

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NOW I MAY NOT HAVE ALL THE 
FIGURES STRAIGHT, BUT ONE 
THING I WANTED TO SAY I NEVER

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IT'S SUCH A - BIG GIFT OF GOD 
THAT I DON'T WANT TO PUT MY 
NAME IN THERE AS

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SOMEBODY WHO STARTED, YOU 
KNOW, THIS KIND OF THING.

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I BELIEVE THAT - GOD DID 
PROMPT US, YOU KNOW, 
TO GO THIS ROUTE AND

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[PROMPT MANY PEOPLE] YEAH,

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THE NEXT TIME WE MET 
WESTERN BOARD, IT WAS 
A DIFFERENT STORY.

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IT WAS ALREADY THERE NOW,

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WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO AND 
HOW MUCH MONEY GONNA RAISE 
TOWARD IT AND SO ON.

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AND ON IT WENT FROM THERE.

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I THINK DERRICK, THE LAST 
TIME I TALKED TO DERRICK, WAS 
AT A CONFERENCE IN K.B.I.

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AND WE WERE TALKING A LOT 
ABOUT DIFFERENT THINGS 
REGARDING

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WHAT - IT SHOULD BE CALLED. 
AND I DIDN'T HAVE ANY IDEA 
ON THAT

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BUT SOMEWHERE TRIBAL TRAILS 
CAME ALONG. 
I THINK FRED EVANS

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Rita: I THINK FROM, I THINK 
FROM FRED EVANS. [YEAH]

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YEAH, FROM THE SONG, 
[HE MADE THE SONG] 
MADE THE SONG. YES. [YEAH]

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Bill: I HEARD ABOUT THAT 
LATER. YEAH, AND WELL, THERE 
IT IS, TRIBAL TRAILS.

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AND I THINK IT'S A GOOD NAME.

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AND [LAUGHS] WHEN WE THINK 
OF TRAILS, THAT'S ALL THEY 
HAD - BEFORE.

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I READ ABOUT THESE STORIES 
WHERE THEY GO THROUGH 
- THE JUNGLE.

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IT ISN'T ALL NEW; 
THERE'S TRAILS.

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THERE'S ACTUALLY THE PLACES 
WHERE THEY CHOPPED A TREE 
A LITTLE BIT,

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THIS IS WHERE YOU TURN, YOU 
KNOW, THIS KIND OF THING.

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Rita: WHERE PEOPLE HAVE GONE, 
HAVE WALKED.

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♪ 
TUCKED AWAY SOMEWHERE 
IN A CORNER OF YOUR HEART

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THERE ARE MEMORIES 
OF FATHER AND HOME

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LET YOUR MIND GO BACK 
TO HIS TENDER LOVING CARE

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THEN RISE UP MY SON 
AND GO HOME

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THERE HE STANDS 
LOOKING OUT ACROSS THE FIELDS

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LONGING EYES ARE 
SEARCHING EVERYWHERE

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OH, MY SON

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TURN YOUR STEPS 
TOWARD YOUR HOME

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LOVING ARMS ARE 
WAITING FOR YOU THERE

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TUCKED AWAY SOMEWHERE 
IN A CORNER OF YOUR HEART

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THERE ARE MEMORIES 
OF FATHER AND HOME

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LET YOUR MIND GO BACK 
TO HIS TENDER LOVING CARE

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THEN RISE UP MY SON 
AND GO HOME

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THEN RISE UP MY SON 
AND GO HOME

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Bill: BUD ELFORD PHONED ME 
AFTER HE GOT HOME.

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HE SAID, "YOU KNOW, 
I'M GONNA FOLLOW THAT UP." 
HE TALKED WITH - CKBI.

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I DON'T REMEMBER ALL THAT 
TRANSPIRED THEN REGARDING 
CKBI.

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MAYBE THEY WERE IN FAVOR. IT 
ALMOST SEEMS LIKE THEY WERE.

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BUT NOW HE'S GOING TO SEE 
EDMONTON STATION.

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AT LEAST TWO STATIONS WERE 
INTERESTED IN.

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AND HE WENT TO EDMONTON 
AND THAT'S WHERE HE MET 
THIS FOOTBALL PLAYER,

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A KICKER, A GUY THAT MAKES 
FIELD GOALS. [LAUGHS]

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DAVE CUTLER IS WITH, 
USED TO BE ESKIMOS; 
ELKS NOW, I GUESS.

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AND HE SAID TO, DAVE SAID 
SOMETHING TO BUD, 
"YOU SHOULD SEE OUR MANAGER.

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I WORK FOR THE STATION, BUT 
I'M ONLY ON THIS SIDE, NOT - 
THE IMPORTANT POSITION,"

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SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND HE 
SAID, "YOU KNOW, I THINK THIS 
COULD BE A REALITY,

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BUT YOU SHOULD SEE HIM". 
AND SO HE INTRODUCED HIM 
TO THE, TO HIS BOSS.

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AND FROM THERE, BUD CONTINUED 
WITH THIS GUY AND

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THEN ONE DAY, WELL, HE - KEPT 
PHONING ME ABOUT IT.

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AND HE SAID, "PRAY ABOUT IT. 
I THINK THIS IS GOING TO 
HAPPEN."

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SO AFTER THAT, I WAS ASKED 
IF I WOULD COME AND SPEAK,

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BE, MAYBE TAKE PART 
AND I DIDN'T, I WASN'T 
PREPARED FOR THAT.

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I WAS UP TO MY NECK 
WITH CAMPS ALL OVER.

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I WAS STARTING CAMPS HERE 
AND THERE. AND I WAS INTO 
THAT QUITE A BIT AND -

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"NO," I THOUGHT, "SOMEBODY 
ELSE WILL DO BETTER. AND FOR 
ME, MY HEART IS NOT IN IT."

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I COULDN'T SAY I'M LED OF THE 
LORD TO, ALTHOUGH THAT'S WHAT 
I'D LIKE TO SEE GOING,

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I CAN'T SEE MYSELF MOVING 
AND DOING JUST THAT, YEAH.

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SO I SAID, "I'LL LEAVE MY - 
MIND OPEN TO IT,"

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BUT IT NEVER CAME ABOUT 
IN THAT WAY, YEAH.

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Rita: HOW DID YOU SEE GOD 
WORK THROUGH THE YEARS IN 
TRIBAL TRAILS?

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Bill: YEAH. WELL, 
FOR ONE THING,

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IT'S A FAR DIFFERENT STORY 
WHEN YOU PREACH TO,

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I DON'T CARE IF IT'S FIVE, 
TEN, FIFTEEN, FIFTY PEOPLE,

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A HUNDRED PEOPLE OR 
FIVE HUNDRED PEOPLE.

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I HAVE TALKED TO DIFFERENT 
GROUPS THAT BIG, YOU KNOW, 
AND NOT VERY OFTEN BIG CROWD,

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BUT TO PREACH AT A CAMERA, 
YOU KNOW, IT'S - TOTALLY 
DIFFERENT.

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- I'M SELF-CONSCIOUS OF THIS, 
YOU KNOW, AND THERE'S NOBODY 
THERE.

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BUT I DO KNOW ONCE IT GETS 
OVER THERE, THERE'S GONNA 
BE LOTS OF PEOPLE

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SO I'M IMAGINING PEOPLE 
LISTENING TO A RADIO 
BROADCAST,

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OR PEOPLE LOOKING AT A PERSON 
WHO'S SPEAKING, YOU KNOW, THE 
GOSPEL.

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AND SO I PRAYED MUCH ABOUT 
IT, AND I THINK I GOT KIND 
OF USED TO IT.

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AND I DON'T THINK OF IT AS 
A LITTLE THING EVERY TIME.

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ANY TIME THAT I PREACH 
ON TRIBAL TRAILS,

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I THINK IT'S, TO ME, 
A BIG ISSUE

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AND LOTS - COMES FROM 
MY HEART TO SAY THIS IS 
THE WAY I SEE IT

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AND I BELIEVE THAT'S 
GOD'S WAY. YEAH.

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Rita: WHY DO YOU THINK 
IT'S SUCH A USEFUL TOOL 
TO NATIVE PEOPLE?

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Bill: WELL, EVEN TODAY, WHEN 
I HEAR PEOPLE COMMENTING

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JUST LIKE NOW ABOUT THESE 
RESIDENTIAL SCHOOLS FINDING 
- GRAVES AND ALL THAT.

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WHEN I - SEE NATIVE PEOPLE 
TALK ABOUT THE SAME THING,

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NOT JUST THE NEWS PEOPLE, 
YOU KNOW, MAYBE THEY'RE NOT 
NATIVE, BUT

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THE NATIVE PEOPLE WELL, 
'LET'S SEE WHAT HE'S 
GOT TO SAY',

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IT KIND OF DRAWS 
MY ATTENTION A BIT.

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NOT THAT I WOULDN'T LISTEN 
TO THE OTHERS, BUT HEAR - 
WHAT HE'S GOT TO SAY.

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AND I THINK IN THAT WAY, 
FOR ME, THE WAY PEOPLE 
HAVE TOLD ME IS, SAYS,

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"THE WAY YOU USE STORIES;

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- I GOT BEFORE ME SOME 
PUZZLES. YOU KNOW WHAT?

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IT'S STRIKING TO ME WHAT THE 
RESEMBLANCE OR - CAN COMPARE 
TO BIBLE STUDY.

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YOU CAN'T JUST PUT THIS OVER 
HERE WITHOUT LOOKING AT IT 
AND SAY,

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"OH YEAH, THAT'LL FIT THERE, 
AND PUT ANOTHER ONE THERE 
THAT'LL FIT THERE."

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NO, NEITHER WILL IT 
JUST COME TOGETHER.

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IT'S GOT TO BE, THERE'S A 
WAY, IT'S GOT TO BE THAT EACH 
ONE IS IN ITS RIGHTFUL PLACE.

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FOR INSTANCE, THIS ONE 
THAT I'M HOLDING 
BELONGS SOMEWHERE.

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NOW THERE'S LOTS MORE HERE, 
BUT I JUST BROUGHT A FEW.

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IT BELONGS SOMEWHERE, MAYBE 
OVER HERE. I DON'T KNOW.

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NEITHER DO THEY JUST 
FALL INTO PLACE.

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RECENTLY, A FELLOW WAS 
TALKING TO ME, AND HE SAID, 
"I WENT TO THIS CHURCH.

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AND THE MORE I LEARNED, 
THE MORE I STUDIED, 
THE MORE I WAS CONFUSED".

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APPARENTLY, THE WORD OF GOD 
WAS NOT THE MOST IMPORTANT 
THING IN THAT CHURCH FOR HIM.

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HE FOUND OUT. HE SAID,

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"I STARTED TO KNOW THIS 
WHEN THERE ARE SOME THINGS 
WERE SAID THAT

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JUST DIDN'T SEEM TO FIT".

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AND I TAKE THAT 
LIKE THIS PUZZLE,

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SOMETIMES THE HEADS ON THESE, 
I CALL THEM HEADS, THESE 
POINTED THINGS, OKAY.

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SOMETIMES THEY'RE TOO TIGHT, 
AND YOU HAVE TO KIND OF FORCE 
THEM IN.

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BUT IF YOU'RE GONNA FORCE 
THEM IN, THAT MEANS THEY'RE 
NOT FROM THERE.

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YOU KNOW, THERE'S THINGS THAT 
WE'RE TAUGHT SOMETIMES YOU 
WONDER, "BOY, IS THAT RIGHT?"

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DON'T TAKE EVERYTHING 
FOR GRANTED, PEOPLE.

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THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE 
NOT TEACHING THE WORD 
OF GOD THE RIGHT WAY.

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THEY'RE NOT TEACHING 
THE TRUTH; THEY'RE MISSING 
OUT ON SOMETHING.

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MAYBE SOMETIMES THEY'RE 
FORCING THINGS OR ELSE THEY 
PUT IT IN EVEN IF IT'S LOOSE.

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THAT IS NOT THE RIGHT WAY 
TO DO A PUZZLE.

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NEITHER IS IT THE RIGHT WAY 
TO HANDLE THE WORD OF GOD.

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FOR NATIVE PEOPLE IF YOU WANT 
TO - THEM TO HEAR YOU,

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HEY, USE REPETITION. 
IT WON'T HURT.

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AND MY FAVORITE THEOLOGIAN, 
HE - SAYS THAT, YOU KNOW,

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REYNOLDS SHOWERS, FRIENDS OF 
ISRAEL [OH RIGHT] WRITER.

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BUT HE SAID, "ANYTHING," 
HE SAID, "IF YOU SAID 
IT ONCE,

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IF THEY DIDN'T CATCH 
SOME WORDS, THEY MAY NOT 
REMEMBER IT.

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BUT IF YOU SAID IT TWICE, IF 
THEY HAD MISSED SOMETHING, 
THEY CAUGHT IT SECOND TIME.

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DON'T HAVE TO SAY IT 
FIVE TIMES

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BUT SAY IT AT LEAST TWICE 
IN SOME - IMPORTANT ISSUES.

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AND, YOU KNOW, THEN YOU'RE 
NOT MISUNDERSTOOD.

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NOT THAT YOU'RE UNDERSTOOD, 
THEY'RE GONNA TAKE 
EVERYTHING YOU SAY.

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NO, BUT YOU'RE GETTING THE 
TRUTH AND IT'S UNDERSTOOD.

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NOW, HE, THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE 
FOR THEIR REACTION TO GOD

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REGARDING WHAT THEY HEARD, 
YEAH.

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Rita: SO TRIBAL TRAILS 
STARTED FORTY YEARS AGO 
[YEAH]

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AND IT - BLOSSOMED 
ALMOST OVERNIGHT.

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GOD PROVIDED THE STAFF, 
PROVIDED THE MONEY,

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PROVIDED THE CAMERA AND 
PROVIDED THE PEOPLE TO 
SHARE THEIR TESTIMONY.

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MANY PEOPLE THAT WE, THAT I 
SPEAK TO, SAY THEY ENJOY 
LISTENING TO TRIBAL TRAILS.

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WHY DO YOU THINK THAT IS?

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Bill: FOR ONE THING, WHEN 
A NATIVE PERSON IS SPEAKING 
TO ANOTHER NATIVE PERSON,

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I THINK HE KNOWS, HE 
UNDERSTANDS, THE PERSON 
WHERE HE'S COMING FROM,

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WHY HE'S SAYING IT IN 
THE WAY HE'S SAYING IT.

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AND FOR BIBLE TEACHING, 
THERE'S STILL YET I BELIEVE 
GOD HAS GIVEN BIBLE TEACHERS

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FOR THAT, I'M SAYING, NOT 
EVERYBODY IS A BIBLE TEACHER.

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BUT IN ANY CASE THOUGH, A 
NATIVE PERSON RESPONDS TO 
ANOTHER NATIVE PERSON BECAUSE

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HE KNOWS WHERE HE 
OR SHE IS COMING FROM.

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I THINK THAT'S ONE 
OF THE THINGS. THERE 
MAY BE OTHER FACTORS.

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♪ Narrator: THEREFORE 
ENCOURAGE ONE ANOTHER 
AND BUILD EACH OTHER UP.

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JUST AS IN FACT, 
YOU ARE DOING.

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Rita: I HAVE BEEN WITH TRIBAL 
TRAILS THROUGH THE FORTY 
YEARS, LONG TIME,

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BUT I THINK ONE OF THE 
BLESSINGS IT IS FROM 
TRIBAL TRAILS IS FOR ME

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IS THE HONESTY.

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YOU KNOW, IF - A PERSON

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IS CONVERTED AND THEY'RE 
CONVICTED OF SIN,

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THE HONESTY OF THE PEOPLE 
WHO SHARE - WHAT GOD HAS 
DONE IN THEIR LIFE,

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I THINK IS ONE OF THE THINGS 
THAT TOUCHES PEOPLE'S HEARTS

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BECAUSE THAT'S 
NOT AN EASY THING.

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THAT'S HARD TO SAY, "I DID 
THIS AND I DID THAT,"

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AND AN AWFUL LOT OF PEOPLE 
CAN'T SAY THAT; 
CAN'T GO THERE.

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BUT - THE PEOPLE WHO SHARE 
ON TRIBAL TRAILS DO,

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AND THEY SHARE HOW GOD, 
WHAT I WAS BEFORE 
AND WHAT I AM NOW.

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THEY - SHARE AND THEY 
SHOW THE POWER OF GOD.

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AND THAT'S - ONE THING I LIKE 
ABOUT TRIBAL TRAILS AND THE 
PEOPLE WHO SHARE.

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I AM SO PROUD 
OF MY PEOPLE.

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I AM SO PROUD OF THE PEOPLE 
WHO - COME AND BEAR THEIR 
HEARTS

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TO THE PEOPLE 
ON THAT CAMERA.

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AND I THINK IT'S A BEAUTIFUL 
THING AND THEY DO IT BECAUSE 
GOD HELPS THEM.

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Bill: I - THINK I AGREE 
WITH YOU ON THAT. THEY

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I THINK THERE'S SOME THINGS 
ALSO, I LEARNED IN MY 
MINISTRY THROUGH THE YEARS.

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IF I DON'T PRAY MUCH ABOUT MY 
MESSAGE, IT COULD FALL FLAT 
AND IT HAS A LOT OF TIMES.

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HOWEVER, WHEN I'M IN A STATE 
OF BEING 'PUT IN A CORNER', 
AS IT WERE,

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AND I PRAY A LOT ABOUT, MAYBE 
SOMETIME YOU GOT TO, YOU KNOW 
WHAT THE PEOPLE ARE LIKE,

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WHAT THEY, WHAT THEY'RE 
UP AGAINST, OR,

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YOU KNOW THAT A LOT OF THEM 
ARE NOT GOING TO AGREE WITH 
YOU OR WHATEVER

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AND YOU PRAY AND YOUR PRAYER 
IS MORE IN EARNEST

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IT WORKS THAT PEOPLE WILL 
LISTEN TO - THE WORD.

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♪ 
SING THEM OVER AGAIN TO ME 
WONDERFUL WORDS OF LIFE

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LET ME MORE OF THEIR BEAUTY 
SEE, WONDERFUL WORDS OF LIFE

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WORDS OF LIFE AND BEAUTY 
TEACH ME FAITH AND DUTY

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BEAUTIFUL WORDS, 
WONDERFUL WORDS

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WONDERFUL WORDS 
OF LIFE

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BEAUTIFUL WORDS, 
WONDERFUL WORDS

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WONDERFUL WORDS 
OF LIFE

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Bill: NOT QUITE EXACTLY 
THE WAY THE PASTOR PUT IT, 
BUT HE SAID,

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"PERSPIRATION, SATURDAY, 
INSPIRATION, SUNDAY," YEAH. 
[LAUGHS]

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NOT LIKE THE ONE, THE YOUNG 
PASTOR, HE WAS,

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HE WANTED TO GO HUNTING 
RABBITS ON SATURDAY 
AFTERNOON.

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THE PASTOR SAID, 
"LOOK HERE, YOU'RE,

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I'M TEACHING YOU AND YOU'RE 
GONNA BE WITH ME ANOTHER 
THREE WEEKS OR SO."

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"YEAH, BUT I LIKE GOING 
THROUGH THE BUSH 
AND HUNTING A BIT."

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"BUT YOU'RE PREACHING 
TOMORROW. I GUESS 
YOU KNOW THAT."

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"WELL, YEAH, I DO.

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BUT PREACHING FOR ME, 
LIKE I CAN DO IT AND 
THINK NOTHING OF IT".

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"YEAH," HE SAID, "THAT'S IT.

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THE PEOPLE MIGHT THINK THE 
SAME WAY, THINK NOTHING OF 
IT." [LAUGHS]

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OKAY, SO HE LEARNED HIS 
LESSON. [YES]

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ANYWAY, I - BELIEVE THAT 
NOT ONLY SINCERITY AS SUCH, 
BUT WE BELIEVE IN PRAYER.

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I BELIEVE THAT MOST OF THE 
TIMES WHEN PEOPLE HAVE COME 
TO THE LORD, AND

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I DON'T SAY THAT WE HAD LOTS 
OF PEOPLE COME TO THE LORD 
THROUGH OUR MINISTRY,

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BUT I COULD SAY, "YEAH, QUITE 
A NUMBER ALTOGETHER; NOT - 
MULTITUDES," I'LL SAY.

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AND I DO KNOW THIS, THAT 
THOSE SERMONS HAVE GONE WITH 
PRAYER, VERY MUCH PRAYER.

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AND I - KNOW WHEN THE LORD 
IS WITH ME, HE'S THERE,

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HE'S ACTUALLY SPEAKING 
THROUGH ME AND SO ON

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AND IT MAKES ALL THE 
DIFFERENCE, YEAH.

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AND PEOPLE WHO ORDINARILY MAY 
- NOT LISTEN, THEY'RE,

00:24:32.935 --> 00:24:38.935
"HEY, THIS TIME MAYBE I 
SHOULD LISTEN A LITTLE 
MORE," AND THEY DO, YEAH.

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THAT'S I HAD AN EXPERIENCE 
NOT TOO LONG AGO. IN FACT, 
LAST WEEK

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THERE WAS A GUY, HAPPENED TO 
BE IN THE SAME PLACE WHERE 
WE WERE EATING OUTSIDE.

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NOW, I DON'T REMEMBER THE 
SITUATION NOW, BUT HE CAME 
TO ME AND SAT WITH ME THERE,

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"I LISTENED TO YOU LAST 
SUNDAY," HE SAID. 
"OH," I SAID, "THAT'S GOOD".

00:25:01.835 --> 00:25:10.601
I - SAID, "I DIDN'T SEE THAT, 
WHAT PROGRAM IT WAS," I SAID. 
"WHAT DID I TALK ABOUT?"

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HE SAID, "I DON'T KNOW". 
[LAUGHS]

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HE DIDN'T USE THE WORDS, 
"I DON'T KNOW". HE SAID,

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"I - DON'T REMEMBER ALL THAT 
YOU'RE SPEAKING ABOUT".

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"OH," I SAID, "IT'S JUST WHEN 
YOU LISTEN TO IT," I SAID, 
"LISTEN TO IT GOOD.

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BECAUSE YOUR LIFE, YOUR, 
CAN - IT CAN MAKE A 
DIFFERENCE IN YOUR LIFE

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WHEN YOU START LISTENING. 
I'M SAYING WHAT GOD SAYS," 
"OKAY." SO THAT WAS IT. YEAH.

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Rita: TRIBAL TRAILS STARTED 
BECAUSE MANY PEOPLE CAUGHT 
THE VISION AT THE SAME TIME

00:25:41.868 --> 00:25:48.835
AND YOURS WAS A SMALL PART. 
AND DIFFERENT PEOPLE ARE 
DIFFERENT PARTS.

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AND THIESSEN AND DERRICK 
AND SO MANY OTHER PEOPLE 
GOD BROUGHT TOGETHER

00:25:54.901 --> 00:25:59.267
TO CREATE THIS PROGRAM. 
[RIGHT] AND SO THANK YOU 
FOR SHARING

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HOW GOD WORKED IN YOUR LIFE 
DURING THAT TIME.

00:26:03.168 --> 00:26:07.768
AND BECAUSE OF THAT LITTLE 
BIT, MANY PEOPLE ARE BLESSED

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SO THANK YOU, BILL, FOR 
SHARING ABOUT THAT. 
Bill: YES. YOU'RE WELCOME.

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GLAD TO HAVE HAD A PART, 
AND I GIVE GOD ALL THE GLORY 
FOR THAT. YEAH.

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♪ 
THANK YOU LORD FOR MANY 
BLESSINGS YOU HAVE GIVEN

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FOR THE EARTH, THE SUN, 
THE MOON, THE STARS

00:26:36.568 --> 00:26:45.468
THANK YOU FOR THE BEAUTY 
OF CREATION

00:26:45.468 --> 00:26:54.434
BUT MOST OF ALL 
THANK YOU FOR WHO YOU ARE

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THE LORD OF GLORY 
HIGH AND LIFTED UP THOU ART

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THE KING OF KINGS 
THE GREAT ALMIGHTY GOD

00:27:12.301 --> 00:27:21.534
THE LOVING SAVIOUR WHO LAID 
DOWN HIS LIFE FOR US

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AND I'M SO THANKFUL 
THAT YOU ARE MY LORD

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THANK YOU LORD FOR LEAVING 
US YOUR PRECIOUS WORD

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ON EARTH IT IS THE GREATEST 
BOOK BY FAR

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IT HOLDS FOR US THE ONLY HOPE 
OF SINS FORGIVEN

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AND THROUGH YOUR WORK 
WE LEARN JUST WHO YOU ARE

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THE LORD OF GLORY HIGH 
AND LIFTED UP THOU ART

00:28:16.501 --> 00:28:24.401
THE KING OF KINGS THE 
GREAT ALMIGHTY GOD

00:28:24.401 --> 00:28:33.468
THE LOVING SAVIOR, WHO LAID 
DOWN HIS LIFE FOR US

00:28:33.468 --> 00:28:44.301
AND I'M SO THANKFUL 
THAT YOU ARE MY LORD.

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THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENCE 
WITH US DAY BY DAY